The Waste Land
|Eliot, Wagner and the Magical Rites of Adonis
[J.G.Frazer, The Myth of Adonis from The Golden Bough, revised 1922.]
In course of time, the slow advance of knowledge, which has dispelled so many cherished illusions,
convinced at least the more thoughtful portion of mankind that the alternations of summer and winter, of spring and autumn, were not merely the result of their own
magical rites, but that some deeper cause, some mightier power, was at work behind the shifting scenes of nature. They now pictured to themselves the growth and
decay of vegetation, the birth and death of living creatures, as effects of the waxing or waning strength of divine beings, of gods and goddesses, who were born
and died, who married and begot children, on the pattern of human life. Thus the old magical theory of the seasons was displaced, or rather supplemented, by a
religious theory. For although men now attributed the annual cycle of change primarily to corresponding changes in their deities, they still thought that by
performing certain magical rites they could aid the god, who was the principle of life, in his struggle with the opposing principle of death.
f Wagner's Parsifal is, as the composer would have us believe, a profoundly Christian work, then as such it does not seem to fit into any Christian dramatic or musical sacred tradition. It has
often been regarded as a kind of
miracle play, which makes use of Christian symbols, although it has long been recognized that Wagner also used legends from
the Buddhist tradition.
his article will consider the evidence for regarding Wagner's Parsifal as neither Christian nor Buddhist,
but as a sacred drama in an Indo-European tradition that began thousands of years before either of those religions had been established. The article draws on ideas
about primitive religion and kingship developed by Sir James Frazer, a pioneer of anthrolopogy, and Jessie L. Weston, a scholar who was
greatly influenced by Frazer, and also the first translator of Wolfram's poem Parzival into English.
he article will also consider how some of the themes discussed by Frazer and Weston in relation to the Grail romances relate to Wagner's Grail opera. In particular, that of the relationship between the king of the Grail and the community and lands over which he rules. On the way, this article will summarise the development of the Grail
romances in the analysis made by Jessie L. Weston. It will also be considered what if any is the relationship between Wagner's opera and a
poem that quotes another poem about it: T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land.
common feature of kingship in primitive societies is the intimate association of the king with the land. The king
is often regarded as the temporary incarnation of a god whose youth, vigour and virility are essential to the kingdom:
[J.G.Frazer, The Golden Bough.]
The king's life or spirit is so sympathetically bound up with the prosperity of the whole country,
that if he fell ill or grew senile the cattle would sicken or cease to multiply, the crops would rot in the fields, and men would perish of widespread disease.
herefore, in such societies, the king is only allowed to rule for a fixed term, after which he is killed (usually
by his successor) and replaced. In the most extreme cases, the term is one year, so that the death of the old king coincides with the passing of the old year.
J.G.Frazer noted that such annual regicide seems to have been common in Western Asia and particularly in Phrygia, where the king-priest was slain in the character
of Attis, a god of vegetation.
o what does this have to do with Wagner's drama? It is widely recognized that the composer's starting point for his
last opera was Wolfram's Parzival. But, as he wrote to Mathilde Wesendonck, Wagner thought that
Wolfram's poem was confused and of no use to him as the basis of the opera that he had in mind to create.
I almost agree
with Frederick the Great who, on being presented with a copy of Wolfram, told the publisher not to bother him with such stuff! So Wagner read around the
subject of the Grail and in much other literature of the same period. From the Grail romances he selected certain
elements that he thought might be combined to make a story. One such element is that of an extremely old king, a character who is mentioned in several of the
Grail romances, in which this old (and usually unseen) king is served by the Grail. There is also a Grail king, one who serves the Grail rather than being served by it. In Chrétien's story, the
old king is the father of the Grail king; in Wolfram's account, his grandfather.
agner found that it suited his purpose to use the "two kings" element of the Grail
romances. The extremely old king became Titurel, who lies in a tomb and is kept alive by an occasional glimpse of the Grail. He is the unseen king who is served by the Grail. The more visible king is variously known to students of literature
as the Maimed King or the Fisher King.
essie Weston distinguished between the Maimed King and the Fisher
King, in her analysis of the Grail legend and its possible ritual origin:
[J.L.Weston, The Grail and the Rites of Adonis.]
Students of the Grail cycle will hardly need to be reminded that the identity
of the Maimed King is a hopeless puzzle. He may be the Fisher King, or the Fisher King's father, or have no
connection with either, as in the Evalach-Mordrains story. He may have been wounded in battle, or accidentally, or wilfully, or by supernatural means, as the
punishment of too close an approach to the spiritual mysteries... Probably the characters of the Maimed King and the Fisher King were
originally distinct, the Maimed King representing, as we have suggested, the god, in whose honour the rites were performed; the Fisher
King, who, whether maimed or not, invariably acts as host, representing the Priest.
n the earliest (Gawain) form of the Grail romances,
according to Weston, the lord of the Grail castle was neither old nor infirm, but dead. It was on account of the death of this knight
that misfortune had fallen upon the land. In all of the Perceval versions, however, it was the king who had been wounded (or, in
the case of the Didot Perceval only, grown old) and this was the cause of the wasting of the land. To achieve the quest and
revive the land, either the king had to be healed, or restored to youth and vigour, or a young and vigorous successor had to undertake the burden of kingship.
agner seems to have distilled the essence of the story. He tells us that he
rejected Wolfram's account and recognised that, even in Chrétien's (earlier) version, the healing Question was an unnecessary complication. In his Parsifal, the collapse of the Grail community is a
result of Amfortas' wound, which is both physical and spiritual. In place of asking a Question,
the destined successor has to fulfil a quest through which the symbols of cup and lance are reunited, and the Maimed King is both healed and succeeded. Like Weston, Wagner realised that the king who serves the Grail also has a priestly role and he replaced the hidden castle with a hidden temple, in which his Amfortas
serves both as king and as priest.
n Robert de Boron's Joseph d'Arimathie (one of the oldest surviving romances), the
brother of Joseph is called Bron. When the company of the Grail are starving, Bron is told to catch a fish, which feeds them in a ritual
meal. After this, Bron is known as the Rich Fisher. Joseph, the original Winner of the Grail, and his brother Bron can be regarded as one
form of the double-king element found in later versions of the story. The fisherman element is found in all of the Perceval
romances. In Chrétien's Perceval, for example, the hero meets the Grail king
when he is fishing from a boat. It may be significant that the Grail castle is always located close to water (and in at least two cases,
on an island). The fish is a traditional fertility symbol, perhaps as a result of its fecundity, a characteristic that it shares with another Grail symbol, the dove. This has been seen as evidence that fertility is an underlying theme of the myth.
Frisch weht der Wind
Der Heimat zu
Mein Irisch Kind
Wo weilest du?
[T.S.Eliot, The Burial of the Dead from The Waste Land, 1922. The work quoted is Wagner's
Tristan und Isolde.]
'You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
'They called me the hyacinth girl.'
-- Yet when we came back, late,
from the hyacinth garden,
Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
Looked into the heart of light, the silence.
Oed' und leer das Meer.
essie Weston identified three stages of development in the medieval Grail romances. In the first of them, the hero was Gawain (or the Welsh Gwalchmai)
and the land had been wasted as a consequence of the mysterious death of an unnamed knight. In this form of the legend, the body of the dead knight lies on a
scarlet cloth upon a bier in the Grail castle. Another feature specific to the Gawain version is that the
Grail- bearer weeps piteously.
[J.L.Weston, The Grail and the Rites of Adonis]
The most curious instance of the persistence of this part of the original tradition is to be found in
Gawain's visit to Corbenic, in the prose Lancelot, where he sees no one, but twelve maidens kneeling at the closed door
of the Grail chamber, weeping bitterly and praying to be delivered from their torment. But the dwellers in Castle Corbenic, so far from
being in torment, have all that heart can desire, and, moreover, the honour of being guardians of the (here) sacred and most Christian relic, the Holy Grail.
he best- known version of this form is known as the First Continuation to Perceval; which is not consistent with Chrétien's unfinished poem. It appears to be based on an independent
story, added to the poem by an unknown editor in order to make an ending. Gawain fails to ask about the Grail (by which he would have restored the Waste Land) but he does ask about the spear, which brings about a partial
restoration. We should note, incidentally, that in this and other romances, the spear is seen at the Grail
castle, where it is one of the objects (hallows) of the ritual. The variation on the story in which the spear
has been lost, together with the idea that it caused the wound of the Maimed King, is entirely Wagner's invention.
n the later German text Diu Crône (The Crown), from about 1230, the lord
of the Grail castle is old and weak. After Gawain has asked the Question,
removing the enchantment from the Waste Land, we are told that the king and his attendants were in fact dead, but held in semblance of life until the task was
Right: The Achievement of Sangreal by Sir Galahad, William Hatherell (1855- 1928). © King Arthur's Hall.
n the second stage of development, the Widow's Son displaced Gawain as the primary
hero. J.L. Weston pointed to a distinctive feature common to the otherwise differing Perceval versions:
the sickness and disability of the ruler of the Waste Land, who is called the Fisher King. According to Weston,
the element of the Waste Land declined in importance during the development of this form until, in Wolfram's Parzival, the healing of the Fisher King appears to be an end in itself.
[J.L.Weston, The Grail and the Rites of Adonis]
This wasting of the land is found in three Gawain Grail stories: [that] by Bleheris, the version of Chastel Merveilleus, and Diu Crône; it is
found in one Perceval text, the Gerbert continuation. Thus, briefly, the object of the Rites is the restoration of Vegetation,
connected with the revival of the god; the object of the Quest is the same, but connected with the restoration to health of the king.
riginally, the distress of the land was a direct result of the death of the king, or the injury or aging of the
king; but in Chrétien's account, the disaster only develops after the failure of Perceval to ask the
Question on his first visit to the Grail castle and in the Perlesvaus, the wasting is a direct consequence of Perceval's failure. The Welsh version,
Peredur son of Evrawg, is a confused tale, possibly based upon an imperfect recollection either of Chrétien's poem or an earlier version of the same form, perhaps the prose original referred to by Chrétien, and also
possibly the Third Continuation. Like Perlesvaus, it is a revenge story.
he Grail romances are characterised by a tension between the theme of revenge and the theme
of healing. This tension points to at least two distinct, original sources:
[R.S.Loomis, The Grail: from Celtic Myth to Christian Symbol, 1963]
As we review some of the findings of the previous chapters, we perceive that there were not only two
main themes which tended to combine in bewildering associations, but several subordinate disharmonies contributed to the mystification of both the authors and
their readers. There was a wounded king for the hero to cure; there was a slain king for him to avenge. Yet they seemed to bear somewhat the same name. The
king's infirmity or death caused his land to be sterile and waste; yet, strange to say, he possessed a talisman of inexhaustible abundance. There were two
damsels in the king's household, one whose function was to serve his guests with the talismanic vessel, to assume a monstrous shape when the hero failed in his
task of healing the king, and violently to rebuke him; the other whose function was to spur the hero on to avenge a kinsman's death. The task of healing required
the hero to ask a spell-breaking Question; the task of vengeance required him to unite the fragments of a broken sword.
Above: The Attainment of the Holy Grail by Sir Galahad (1898-99), a tapestry after a design by Sir Edward Burne-Jones (1833-1898). ©Christie's Images,
n the final stage, the themes of vengeance and healing, together with such elements as the wasting of the land and
the Question, have disappeared and what remains is a spiritual quest. As in Perlesvaus, the
story is dominated by moralising and Christian allegory. The hero is now Galahad, son of Lancelot. In The Quest of the Holy
Grail, there are two wounded kings at the Grail castle, and the title of Fisher King is variously
applied to both of them. The virgin Galahad, who was born at the Grail castle, has never failed and achieves the quest in fulfilment of
Right: Sir Galahad, by G.F. Watts (1817-1904).
Let us note first, that whatever else changes in the story, the essential framework remains the
same. Always the castle is found by chance; always the hero beholds marvels he does not comprehend; always he fails to fulfil
the test which would have qualified him to receive the explanation of those marvels; always he recognises his fault too late, when the opportunity has
passed beyond recall; and only after long trial is it again granted to him. Let us clear our minds once and for all from the delusion that the Grail story is primarily the story of a quest; it is that secondarily. In its primary form it is the romance of a lost opportunity; for
always, and in every instance, the first visit connotes failure; it is to redress that failure that the quest is undertaken. So essential is this part of
the story that it survives even in the Galahad version; that immaculate and uninteresting hero does not fail, of course; but neither does he come to the
Grail castle for the first time when he presides at the solemn and symbolic feast; he was brought up there, but has left it
before the Quest begins; like his predecessors, Gawain and Perceval, he goes forth from the
castle in order to return.
[J.L.Weston, The Grail and the Rites of Adonis.]
n his notes on The Waste Land Eliot informs us:
Not only the title, but the plan and a good deal of the
incidental symbolism of the poem were suggested by Miss Jessie L. Weston's book on the Grail legend: From Ritual to Romance ...
To another work of anthropology I am indebted in general, one which has influenced our generation profoundly; I mean The
Golden Bough; I have used especially the two volumes Adonis, Attis, Osiris. Anyone who is acquainted with these works will immediately recognise in the poem
certain references to vegetation ceremonies.
he cult of the fertility god known to the Sumerians and Akkadians as Dumuzi-abzu, but better known under his Syrian
name of Tammuz, may be traced back to about 3000 B.C. Dumuzi is a Sumerian deity of the marshes. His name means "quickener of the young in the mother womb of the
deep". His sister, Geshtinanna, is the power in the grape, and his female consort is Inanna, who in the earliest period symbolizes the "storehouse of dates."
Dumuzi, Inanna, and Geshtinanna, as well as Duttura, the mother of Dumuzi, and Ereshkigal, the sister of Inanna and goddess of the underworld, are prominent in
several mythological cycles and mythical dramas. In a pantheon containing thousands of deities, these serve as examples of the reigning symbolism of fertility. As
the god of the harvest, Dumuzi was required, like Osiris of Egypt, to conquer death by emerging from the Underworld. The surviving Sumerian and Akkadian texts
contain many lamentations for Dumuzi, who left the surface of the earth once a year, with disastrous consequences for animal and vegetable life. Dumuzi-Tammuz
appears to have been more than a seasonal god, however; he was believed to participate in the reproductive activities of all forms of life.
he Phrygian cult of Attis may be as old as that of Dumuzi-Tammuz and both may have derived from the worship of a
common predecessor. Or, despite their common features, they may have developed independently:
[J.G.Frazer, The Golden Bough.]
The annual death and revival of vegetation is a conception which readily presents itself to men in
every stage of savagery and civilisation: and the vastness of the scale on which this ever-recurring decay and regeneration takes place, together with man's most
intimate dependence on it for subsistence, combine to render it the most impressive annual occurrence in nature, at least within the temperate zones. It is no
wonder that a phenomenon so important, so striking, and so universal should, by suggesting similar ideas, have given rise to similar rites in many lands.
he death and resurrection of Attis were annually mourned and rejoiced over at a festival in spring, usually at the
vernal equinox. Attis was said to have been a fair young shepherd or herdsman beloved by Cybele, the Mother of the Gods. There are two different accounts of his
death: in one he castrated himself under a pine-tree and bled to death. This version may have been invented to explain the self-castration of his priests. In the
other, he was, like Adonis, killed by a wild boar, and hence his followers abstained from pork. He was subsequently changed into a pine-tree and therefore such a
tree, decorated with violets, was venerated during the spring festival.
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome
and tall as you.
[T.S.Eliot, Death by Water from The Waste Land, 1922.]
I weep for Adonais -- he is dead!
O, weep for Adonais! though our tears
Thaw not the frost that binds so dear a head!
[P.B.Shelley, Adonais, 1821.]
he cult of Adonis (according to Frazer, another god of vegetation) seems to have originated in Phoenicia and spread
first to Cyprus and then throughout the Greek world by about the 7th century B.C. The name or title Adonis was also applied to Tammuz, Adon being the Syrian word
riginally, Adonis was the lover of the goddess Astarte, who would become identified with the Greek goddess
Aphrodite. He was said to have been a mortal who was killed by a wild boar, who may have been Aphrodite's jealous husband, Ares. The intercession of Aphrodite
persuaded Zeus to allow Adonis to return from the underworld for a portion of the year. The dispute between Aphrodite and Persephone for possession of Adonis is a
curious parallel to that between Ishtar and Ereshkigal for Tammuz. It is possible that the Phrygian Adonis was originally a river-god; the river Nahr Ibrahim,
which reaches the sea just south of Byblus, bore in antiquity the name Adonis and there is a complex of temples to Astarte around the gorge of the river. The
spring rain colours the river red with clay washed from the hills; this is still referred to as the blood of Adonis. His rites usually ended with the effigy of the
god being cast into the sea or a river; this is still echoed in vernal folk-customs in many lands.
raser records that the worship of Adonis as a corn-spirit, i.e. a spirit of harvest, in the month of Tammuz (July)
persisted in Syria into the Middle Ages. An Arabic writer of the tenth century recorded:
In the middle of this month is the festival of el-Bûgât, that is, of
the weeping women, and this is the Tâ-uz festival, which is celebrated in honour of the god Tâ-uz. The women bewail him, because his lord slew him so cruelly,
ground his bones in a mill, and then scattered them to the wind.[The Golden Bough]. This propitiation
of the corn-god (who might be called Tammuz, Attis, Adonis or Osiris) may be ultimately derived from an older, primitive belief that the spirits of animals and
vegetation had to be appeased by those who ate them.
essie Weston identified the following points of contact between the Adonis ritual and the
Gawain form of the story of the Grail castle:
the waste land; the slain king (or knight); the
mourning, with special insistence on the part played by women; and the restoration of fertility. Another point is worth noting: the dove
was sacred to Adonis and doves were sacrificed during his rites.
lthough Adonis is never mentioned in Eliot's poem, it is clear from the poet's notes that the myth of Adonis is at
its core. Like Tammuz and Attis, Adonis goes down into the underworld but returns each year. The women weep for Adonis so that he can be reborn.
Above: Detail from the painting by J.M.W. Turner which he entitled, The Golden Bough
he Cumaean Sibyl was the most famous of the Sibyls, the prophetic old women of Greek mythology; she guided Aeneas
through Hades in the Aeneid with the help of a golden bough. In Roman classical times the same term was applied to a bough of the tree in a grove at Nemi, sacred
to Diana. In a ritual that had been practised for at least 500 years, only a runaway slave could cut a branch from the tree at the
centre of the sacred grove; but first he had to challenge and then defeat the guardian of the grove, the Rex Nemorensis or King of the Wood. A challenger
who was able to kill the king then took his place as guardian of the sacred grove and, it was implied, as consort of the goddess to whom it was dedicated. His
attempts to explain this ritual led Frazer to study kingship in the ancient world and in primitive cultures. He found that kingship was, in its earliest forms,
primarily a religious or priestly institution. Even after the Romans abolished their monarchy, they retained a "king" who had only a priestly role, the Rex
Sacrorum, to perform the sacrifices that in former times had been made by the king.
Above right: John Collier: Priestess of Delphi
t can be noted, incidentally, that this tradition of the sacred grove was known to Wolfram , who incorporated it into a (Gawain) chapter of his poem Parzival. In
this chapter, the hero is sent by Orgeluse to challenge the guardian of the sacred wood.
iterature and myth are full of quests for special objects, such as the golden bough, that can only be obtained by
overcoming obstacles and opposition. In opera too: consider Meyerbeer's Robert, who must resist the charms of a host of zombie nuns, to
win the cypress branch. At first appearance, Parsifal act 2 is a story of this type; like Robert, Wagner's youth must resist erotic temptations, to win
the holy spear, which will enable him to become king of a sacred grove. In this case the forest of Monsalvat and the community that it
ut a careful reading of Wagner's poem shows no evidence that the youth is on a quest for
the spear. Wagner does not tell us why he wanders into Klingsor's magic garden. Even when he begins to
realise that he has a (forgotten) mission, Parsifal does not know what it is about (in fact, he does not know much about anything;
he is not even certain of his own name; and it is the function of Kundry to give him information (Kunde)). His quest (if we can call
it a quest) is not for the spear, neither is it for the Grail. Kundry's kiss reveals to Parsifal that his mission concerns Amfortas; and from that
moment onwards, the youth is dedicated to relieving the suffering of the Grail King. He knows nothing of the spear
until it is suddenly and unexpectedly in his hand; and in that moment he realises not only that this is the weapon that injured Amfortas but also that it is the only cure for the king's wound. Therefore for Parsifal the spear is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
essie Weston traced the possible origins of the medieval Grail
romances through Gnostic mystery religions back to the fertility rites and initiation ceremonies of ancient vegetation cults. Independently, evidence for the
oriental origin of elements of the Grail legends was gathered by L.E. Iselin (Der morgenländische Ursprung der Grallegende, 1909).
Since Wagner's text draws upon these Grail romances and because he selected elements that connect these romances with the rituals of Indo-European mystery religions, then it is justifiable to regard his Parsifal (and by the same token, Eliot's The Waste
Land), as belonging to a religious tradition that is at least five thousand years old.
n Weston's perspective, Parsifal is the story of a failed initiation into a mystery religion. It tells of
an infirm king who is, at first, neither healed nor replaced by a vigorous successor and how, as a result, his kingdom falls into distress and decay. The old king,
his father, dies before the quest has been completed. The Grail-bearer, who is also the messenger of the Grail,
weeps bitterly on a spring morning. The symbols of cup and spear are reunited to
assure the renewed fertility of land and people.
Above: Act 1 of Parsifal in the recent production from Opéra de Lyon, soon to be restaged at the Met.
learly Eliot was influenced by Frazer's anthropological writings both directly and through the Wagnerian J.L. Weston. Similarly his relationship to Wagner is both direct (the poem quotes Tristan und Isolde and Das Rheingold; it also
quotes Verlaine's poem about Parsifal) and through Weston. Furthermore, Eliot's poem is connected to
Wagner's last music-drama by drawing on a common myth, the Grail legend. It might be fortuitous that the quotation from Petronius with
which Eliot prefaced his poem is singularly appropriate to Kundry:
Said the boys, "What do you want, Sibyl?"; she answered, "I
want to die".
o there are threads connecting Eliot's Grail poem and Wagner's Grail drama. Unfortunately those threads have led some to believe (and recent stagings of the opera have reinforced their belief), that Wagner had
built his Parsifal upon the myth of the Waste Land, i.e. the variant of the Grail legend in which the land (and the vegetable and
animal life of that land), suffers as a result of the king's sickness or injury. In some versions of the myth (for example, in the poems by Chrétien and Wolfram) it is specifically the infertility of the king that causes the infertility
of the crops and livestock of the kingdom and it is the healing of the king that restores the land. Wagner's reworking of the Grail legend
is not, however, based on the Waste Land variant and, unlike many of the romances, it is not concerned with fertility. If Wagner had wanted to stress the sexual
aspect of the king's injury, then he would have made the wound one through the genitals and not through the side, which is where the Prose
Draft locates the (physical) wound. It is
the same wound as the Redeemer received upon the Cross.
Left: The "holy rail", in Lehnhoff's original staging for ENO
herefore the implication in Harry Kupfer's Berlin production that Amfortas' problem is one of sexual dysfunction is
an idea that Kupfer has added himself, rather than his interpretation of Wagner's text. The problem that must be solved, or the need that must be addressed, is not
infertility. It is the king's realisation of his own inadequacy that leaves the knights leaderless. No longer, we are told by Gurnemanz, are knights sent out into the world to help people. The community has closed in on itself, as an introspective circle of men
without any vision. In the opera, the distress of Monsalvat is not relieved by the healing of Amfortas but rather by a young,
vigorous and enlightened hero taking upon himself the kingship. There is no hint, in Wagner's Prose Drafts or Poem, that the domain of the Grail becomes a wasteland when Amfortas becomes sick or that
the fertility of the land is restored by the return of Parsifal with the spear. It is the Maimed King who
is healed -- whether this heals the land we are not told -- and the brotherhood, if not the land, is restored under a new leader with a new vision.
et it has become a tiresome cliché of modern stagings that the third act (and in some productions also the first
act) of Parsifal is set in a bleak wasteland. This contradicts not only Wagner's stage directions but also his poem (libretto).
Emphasis on the Eliot connection reached its apogee in the Niklaus Lehnhoff production (which has been staged at ENO and Chicago). In isolation, this was valid
although not very illuminating as far as Wagner's text was concerned. It would be unfortunate if this production misled other producers into believing that
Wagner's opera is a story of the Waste Land because it is not. That variant of the Grail myth was not used by Wagner, whose poem indicates that the first act takes place in a green forest, the second act in a garden filled with unnatural
flowers, and the first part of the third act in a flowery meadow. It would be nice, once in a while, to see these scenes on stage ...
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